on the other hand, you've got a group -- the michigan coalition for responsible gun owners arguing that actually having a gun saves people's lives. here's what he says. >> the shooter in the mall in oregon was confronted by a legally armed citizen who pointed his gun at the shooter and then decided not to squeeze the trigger because he was afraid of missing and hitting bystanders. he was acting very responsibly. and the next shot that that shooter fired that the killer fired was on himself after he was confronted with an armed citizen. so that's actually one example of a responsible gun owner using a gun to save lives. >> van, where do you fuall on this? because they make the case on both sides. on one hand, it is a very dangerous situation to have people armed. on the other hand, it does save lives in some circumstances. >> well, first of all, nobody is saying that, you know, all people should give up all their g guns, but people are tired now. we're tired -- it's not just these children, there are funerals all across the country every day. we're tired to going to funerals in chicago.